tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20406961.post4537908176742688246..comments2023-06-07T09:13:41.693-05:00Comments on Episcopal Chaplain On the High Ground: General Convention 2009: "Holy Women, Holy Men"Marshall Scotthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02807749717320495495noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20406961.post-29552843475937012812015-05-29T18:11:50.364-05:002015-05-29T18:11:50.364-05:00John Marshall, you might want to see what happens ...John Marshall, you might want to see what happens at General Convention this summer. <i>Holy Women, Holy Men</i> has been subject of controversy these past six years, and there will be discussions again in Salt Lake City, unless I'm much mistaken. In the meantime, if you'll search on line there is a parish that has made the whole thing as currently approved (for trial use) on line.Marshall Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02807749717320495495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20406961.post-8783262998587595442015-05-27T23:02:31.960-05:002015-05-27T23:02:31.960-05:00I have been checking various options for episcopa...I have been checking various options for <a href="%E2%80%9Dwww.episcopalbookstore.com/category.aspx?categoryid=2%E2%80%9D" rel="nofollow">episcopal calender</a> selections. I need several dozen for my congregation.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07552443314999681095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20406961.post-4848252167403721942009-07-08T15:25:48.154-05:002009-07-08T15:25:48.154-05:00John, I presume her feast is on the 12th because w...John, I presume her feast is on the 12th because we'd already established the 13th for Jeremy Taylor. Now, as to why move her any farther from the actual date of her death - I have no idea.<br /><br />By the way, I understand this was discussed this morning in the legislative committee on Worship, and was passed. It will be sent to the Bishops first, and then to Deputies, if I recall correctly.Marshall Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02807749717320495495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20406961.post-26693563343941128002009-07-08T11:14:14.484-05:002009-07-08T11:14:14.484-05:00Sorry about 'anonymous' signature above - ...Sorry about 'anonymous' signature above - lost track of a password.<br /><br />(howls of derisive laughter, howls of derisive laughter)<br /><br />But really if Florence Nightingale died 13 August why move her feast day to the 12th? or to May? or the convenient weekend nearest my birthday?John Leechhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10641016879172642002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20406961.post-31988338379438843712009-07-08T11:10:37.446-05:002009-07-08T11:10:37.446-05:00Florence Nightingale died in South Street, Park La...Florence Nightingale died in South Street, Park Lane, London, on 13 August 1910 and is remembered on the anniversary of her death in the Church of England. That makes a lot more sense than making it some other day ... however convenient it may be to us.<br /><br />Less confusing to me, certainly: I was ordained on the feast day of Florence Nightingale.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20406961.post-39257090966758011272009-06-11T15:40:47.343-05:002009-06-11T15:40:47.343-05:00Well, this was fine. We've discussed elsewher...Well, this was fine. We've discussed elsewhere that some sites can get pretty rowdy. However, in most if comments relate to the topic being discussed and are respectful in tone the comments are acceptable.Marshall Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02807749717320495495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20406961.post-15936829050988429572009-06-11T12:35:28.399-05:002009-06-11T12:35:28.399-05:00I keep getting my "can" in trouble. My m...I keep getting my "can" in trouble. My mom is a volunteer at a public library. She never finished the book I mentioned, but says it was really about the crimeon war. Florence Nightengale was a character in the book and it just mentioned in passing about the squabbles among the nurses. Mom was not being critical of Florence Nightengale.<br /><br />This has been my debut(?), with one exception, in commenting on blogs. I had a blog of my own for a year and posted a lot, but said things I should not have and got threatened. So I'm off to a bad start, but will get better. I hope.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20406961.post-35876662581039467742009-06-11T11:28:47.966-05:002009-06-11T11:28:47.966-05:00All right, Little Brother (and others): here is wh...All right, Little Brother (and others): here is what I've found looking through some sites on the web.<br /><br />The author <a href="http://satucket.com/lectionary/Florence_Nightingale.htm" rel="nofollow">at this page</a>, an Episcopal historian, says of the 38 nurses that went with Florence to the Crimea that "10 were Roman Catholic nuns, 14 were Anglican nuns, and the remaining 14 were 'of no particular religion, unless one counts the worship of Bacchus.'" He also states that Florence was attracted to the Roman Catholic Church, but had sufficient differences so as to choose not to join. Note, too, that there was still significant discrimination in general in Great Britain against Roman Catholics socially and politically.<br /><br />The author <a href="http://www.famouspeople.co.uk/f/florencenightingale.html" rel="nofollow">at this site</a> points out that Kaiserwerth, a German hospital she visited and admired was founded by a Roman Catholic religious order.<br /><br />The author <a href="http://www.bookrags.com/biography/florence-nightingale/" rel="nofollow">at this site</a> suggests that among the 38 nurses there were differences and perhaps arguments based on religion: "sectarian squabbling among the nurses, which Nightingale called the 'Protestant Howl' and the 'Roman Catholic Storm.'"<br /><br />We might also note that Mary Seacole became a Roman Catholic some time after her encounters with Nightingale, and may have been sympathetic before. It's not impossible that religion might have been a difference between them. On the other hand, it seems more likely that the generalized prejudices about race were enough, and that the generalized prejudices about Roman Catholics might have added to tension, but wouldn't have changed things much.<br /><br />Little Brother, look into the scholarship behind your mother's book, and see what that opinion is based on. From these three sites it doesn't look like she "refused to associate with Catholic nurses." However, that doesn't mean she didn't reflect the general prejudice against Roman Catholics that was common in the society she lived in.Marshall Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02807749717320495495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20406961.post-79378227542249171072009-06-11T10:54:07.471-05:002009-06-11T10:54:07.471-05:00Father,
The book my mom is reading is fiction. Th...Father,<br /><br />The book my mom is reading is fiction. The title is "The Rose of Sebastopal(sp?). The book says Florence Nigntengale was afraid the catholic nuns would give out catholic pamphlets, and urge her nurses not to associate with catholic nuns.<br /><br />My dad, who is catholic, is not big on saints, at least catholic saints. He says they are chosen as saints because of what they do for the church not what they do for others. He says Saint Thomas More was really in to persecution and torture of heretics and really strange attitude toward physical love between men and women.And More is a saint just because he fefied the king. A little brother.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20406961.post-69064804269599099362009-06-11T09:10:32.778-05:002009-06-11T09:10:32.778-05:00Little Brother, you are not out of place. The que...Little Brother, you are not out of place. The question is appropriate to the comments above.<br /><br />You know, I can't say for sure. Let me do a little research. That said, if your mother's book is non-fiction, or is fiction with a lot of research behind it, the book may be accurate. I'll just have to do some digging.Marshall Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02807749717320495495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20406961.post-87689202374935858352009-06-10T20:50:08.094-05:002009-06-10T20:50:08.094-05:00Father, I'm out of place again. But my mother ...Father, I'm out of place again. But my mother is reading a book about Florence Nightengale and a war and the book said she refused to associate with catholic nurses. Is that true.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20406961.post-39428825579320399492009-06-10T17:13:56.704-05:002009-06-10T17:13:56.704-05:00Mary Sue, thanks so much for this.
For those inte...Mary Sue, thanks so much for this.<br /><br />For those interested, there's more information <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Seacole" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://www.maryseacole.com/maryseacole/pages/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. The Wikipedia article notes that late in life she had become a Roman Catholic. Because she was a woman of the British Empire, if in a number of locations, I find myself curious whether she was Anglican, or perhaps Kirk of Scotland (as her father may have been).<br /><br />It's a fascinating history, especially in light of the connections (of sorts) with Nightingale. Is anybody from Liturgy and Music aware of this?Marshall Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02807749717320495495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20406961.post-67359832992248487342009-06-10T15:24:09.886-05:002009-06-10T15:24:09.886-05:00I have to share this comic because it's the on...I have to share <a href="http://beatonna.livejournal.com/93271.html" rel="nofollow">this comic</a> because it's the only thing I can think of when I hear about Florence Nightengale these days. You have to watch out for us <a href="http://www.maryseacoleappeal.org.uk/mary.htm" rel="nofollow">Marys</a>, we're stubborn.Mary Suehttp://orderofsantaignora.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com